What's Everyone's Profession Part II What's Everyone's Biggest Challenge?

[troy]

http://www.davidco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5327
In the above thread everyone discussed their professions. In this thread I would like to talk about what everyone's biggest challenge is at work / personal / both.
Be it interruptions, organization, etc.

Hopefully through communicating our challenges and hardships we can come to a common consenus as to solutions that maybe we haven't thought of. One person's challenge might be another person's victory. I'd like to see if we can get this thread as big the other one.

Someone start off, please.

[vatark]

Title says it all really...

...the desperation I feel when I realise that I have put off, through simply wanting to do something more exciting, something (probably several things) that now needs to be done last Friday!!

GTD's helping, but I have a long way to go.

[StuGib]

Didn't reply in the professions thread, but I'm a software requirements analyst (amongst other things).

My main challenges with GTD is keeping track of the sheer number of little things that come my way, and deciding what needs to be shared with colleagues and customers.

For one big project of 'define requirements for feature X' I'll have to keep track of cusomer requests, my own ideas, design suggestions, problems I need to resolve, questions to ask other people, changes to documents, status of those issues, plans, answers to pass on to people, as well as the tasks I need to do. All of these change all the time as I work on resolving issues, customers pass on info to me, developers raise problems or missing requirements etc. This is what I find hard to keep up to date in a system.

Added onto that is the fact I need to keep track of what I need to do personally, but also communicate the status of the project and issues to customers and colleagues and keep those status systems up to date. It's difficult to know where to draw the line between a personal and public system and to avoid duplication or inconsistencies.

I can identify where in GTD all these issues should go (e.g agendas, project support) etc but haven't really found a system that solves my challenges for long. I've also had problems trying to fit everything into projects, sub-projects, sub-sub-projects, ... (e.g. every issue or problem could be a sub-project) in my main action lists, but am trying to simplify.

[Brent]

My biggest challenge is in "finding the time" for the cool, important projects that I want to do.

[mcogilvie]

http://www.davidco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5327
Hopefully through communicating our challenges and hardships we can come to a common consenus as to solutions that maybe we haven't thought of.


I think my biggest challenge is to maintain an "everyday mind" attitude. The water heater is leaking all over the basement. What's the desired outcome? What's the next action?

"To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders"
Lao Tzu

[Vramin]

I think I'm in the group where just capturing all the minutae can be a bit daunting. I have these little thoughts and I think, oh I need to capture that. Then I think but if I capture I'll actually have to do it, so then I don't want to capture it. But then I think that if I capture it I might not necessarily have to do it, just knowing it has been captured, or at the very least my mind will remember that I didn't capture it and start tracking that, so then I capture it. I would like to advance to where I just do the capturing and get to avoid the mental arm wrestling match.

[Scott_L_Lewis]

My biggest challenge is balancing functionality vs. simplicity and capacity in my system. I tend to create systems that are very functional, and as a result, tend to be complex. As a result, the systems can be overwhelmed by the amount of stuff I need to keep track of.

Like StuGib, I work in information systems, and the decomposition of projects into sub-projects and sub-sub-projects is a key problem area.

[flexiblefine]

I've become fond of saying that GTD is not a motivational system. Once I got over the novelty of having complete, updated lists of the things I should be doing, I saw that they weren't actually getting done.

I did (and do) get great organizational benefit from GTD, and I have stuck with it much longer than any other organizational/productivity system I have ever tried. But GTD brought my procrastination into sharp focus.

For the past 6-8 months, I've been fighting procrastination much more than I've been fighting disorganization. GTD works well for me, and now I've moved on to the next roadblock on my path to stress-free productivity.

If it weren't for GTD, and the models of useful GTD discussions I have found online, I never would have started my procrastination group -- see link in my signature.

[Brent]

I've become fond of saying that GTD is not a motivational system. Once I got over the novelty of having complete, updated lists of the things I should be doing, I saw that they weren't actually getting done.

I did (and do) get great organizational benefit from GTD, and I have stuck with it much longer than any other organizational/productivity system I have ever tried. But GTD brought my procrastination into sharp focus.

Yes, same here.

[altruologist]

My biggest challenge has been largely internal. I am always struggling to juggle the computer with the paper planner and frankly the pda has always been a real problem for me. I like to catch my thoughts and ideas and in reality I was most productive when I was able to plan completely in a paper system. Now I work with a Filofax and Outlook with the Franklin Planner add-in. Despite some horrific stories about Franklin Covey (Agilix) software, the Franklin Planner Outlook software is working without a single hitch. I can use the GTD methodology with tasks and projects in a way that links the two perfectly. The Filofax is my duplicate and 'out of office' tool for journalling, brainstorming,note taking and all the other things I could not perform well on a pda.

[DStaub11]

Procrastination! I'm great at capturing and processing. The problem comes with actually doing. Sigh.

Do Mi

[Frondu]

I work as an internet marketing manager and my biggest challenge is making our affiliate campaign successfull at present.

[Mindi]

I still can't seem to process some of the big picture items into small, doable chunks.

[tulipcowgirl]

professional: My challenges currently are external. Interruptions, my disorganized boss who prioritizes only by what is screaming at him the loudest and lack of adequate staffing for a large project that I am working on. My internal response to it all is to teach myself how to only take responsibility for what I have control over and do the best I can with the limited resources that he passes on to me. Everything else, I will diplomatically dump back in his lap.

personal: Mostly internal. I am constantly learning how to prioritize all my projects from 50,000 to 50 feet and be ok with everything that I am not doing at the moment. What is most important right now?

[Vramin]

But GTD brought my procrastination into sharp focus.

What I have noticed is that, with everything captured and categorized somewhere so that the mind considers it "handled" for the most part, the one most onerous item I am procrastinating on seems to screem with a louder voice than ever before.

[troy]

So a lot of folks are having problems with procrastination. Hey atleast that's the first step is to realise you have a problem.

[kewms]

Troy, could you elaborate on your connection to ClockManager.com, please? I guess I'm a little confused because you first introduced yourself as a restaurant manager, and now you're promoting a time management site.

Thanks,

Katherine

[Vramin]

So a lot of folks are having problems with procrastination. Hey atleast that's the first step is to realise you have a problem.
I've known for a long time, but I've put off admitting it.

[StuGib]

Troy, could you elaborate on your connection to ClockManager.com, please? I guess I'm a little confused because you first introduced yourself as a restaurant manager, and now you're promoting a time management site.


From their contact us (http://www.clockmanager.com/contact.php) page:


We are strong believers that no one person is smarter than a group of people. Please send in your feedback to help us pass along helpful ideas for time management. If you are a webmaster and want to contact us, please use this form to do so.
ClockManager.com
Troy Robinson & Staff

Maybe Troy's just a busy man with restaurants and websites to run :)

[Treetops]

Troy, could you elaborate on your connection to ClockManager.com, please? I guess I'm a little confused because you first introduced yourself as a restaurant manager, and now you're promoting a time management site.

Thanks,

Katherine


From their contact us (http://www.clockmanager.com/contact.php) page:

Maybe Troy's just a busy man with restaurants and websites to run :)

Over on the 43folders forum:
http://board.43folders.com/showthread.php?t=646&highlight=troy


My name is Troy. I'm new to the boards. I'm a time management fanatic. I hope to contribute to these forums in a postive way and learn a lot about time management I didn't already know.

I'm a web developer and I have a small network of sites mainly about personal productivity.

This time no mention of being a restaurant manager.


I think Katherine has asked a valid question. Lets see Troys answer.

[troy]

Holy crap. Look at you guys. I've been investigated.

My name is Troy. I work as restaurant manager. This normally takes up about 50-60 hours per week and I'm a geek in a sense when it comes to operating web sites. My connection to Clockmanager.com is that I'm the webmaster of that site.

Time management and personal productivity has been a topic that interested me for some time. Just going through and reading information on it has given me insight to create my own time management portal.

Hopefully, I've answered some questions for you all.

[MisterMorgan]

My biggest challenge has been "@ not computer". I spend a lot of time at home on the computer and most of the things I have to do at work are either on the computer or managed by information I get from the computer. But I don't have a good system for what to do when I'm out and about - @agenda was pretty much useless. This was not made easier by the fact that we are completely locked down at work so no PDA would work for me--I wouldn't be able to update it with my work info unless I did it by hand.

Recently I got the Franklin Covey 3 x 5 wallet from Office Depot from the most awesome girlfriend of all. It's working okay and it's been *great* for the sudden "Mark, come with me!" from the boss.

Second has to be the fact that e-mail is useless in my company because everyone feels buried in it. (We honestly don't get that much and I find I can process a week's worth in about thirty minutes.)

[TesTeq]

Holy crap. Look at you guys. I've been investigated.
The reason why you've been investigated is your spam-like colorful "click now" signature that does not match up with your restaurant manager job and interesting points presented in your posts.

[troy]

Ok,

Well for the record I'm not a member of this forum to saturate this forum with spam. I enjoy being here and talking with folks about GTD.

I actively particpate in thread topics and started one of the most popular threads on the front page.

If I need to scale down my signature then let me know...

I'm a restaurant manager and a web developer.

[Treetops]

Ok,

Well for the record I'm not a member of this forum to saturate this forum with spam. I enjoy being here and talking with folks about GTD.

I actively particpate in thread topics and started one of the most popular threads on the front page.

If I need to scale down my signature then let me know...


Troy,

Fair enough...my vote is for the click-thru website reference in the signature to be removed to the contact info in your profile.

[troy]

Free-will. Gotta love free-will. I'm not forcing anyone to click on it, but I will scale it down.

[TesTeq]

Free-will. Gotta love free-will. I'm not forcing anyone to click on it, but I will scale it down.
What would you do if one of your restaurant guests would come with a big colorful banner "I love McDonald's" and sit the whole day showing this banner to all the other guests. Would you like it? It's free-will but is it appropriate?

[troy]

What would you do if one of your restaurant guests would come with a big colorful banner "I love McDonald's" and sit the whole day showing this banner to all the other guests. Would you like it? It's free-will but is it appropriate?
Change your settings to not show signatures in this forum if your that offended.

I think you should think more practical. My signature is more like a person wearing a Mcdonald's t-shirt to my restaurant and sitting there and eating. I'm not blinking the signature at anyone nor am I using flash animation.

This isn't using my time effectively by having this disagreement about something so silly as my forum signature. If you have a problem with my post or question how "appropriate" they are then simply report it to a moderator. Thank you for your input. Thank you for your time. Have a nice day.

[Treetops]

Change your settings to not show signatures in this forum if your that offended.

But TesTeq may quite reasonably want to view other members signatures
(the ones that aren't an advertisement vehicle)


This isn't using my time effectively by having this disagreement about something so silly as my forum signature. If you have a problem with my post or question how "appropriate" they are then simply report it to a moderator.
But you asked for opinion:


If I need to scale down my signature then let me know...
Also


Thank you for your input. Thank you for your time. Have a nice day.

Are you as sarcastic to the guests who eat at your restaurant?

[ceehjay]

Troy, I am interested in time management, too. Obviously, or I wouldn't be reading this forum. I visit other forums and web sites related to this subject, so I am not in the least offended by your sig -- and I did visit your site. That is also one of my biggest challenges -- spending too much time reading forums, blogs, etc.

Carolyn

[mike]

In an attempt to get back on topic....My biggest GTD challenge right now is that I am so far ahead of my job, I'm afraid I may need to look for different employment, I'm getting bored in a job that was fairly challenging pre GTD. Of course the practical side of me says there are worse things than having a job that is too easy, now I have time for more someday/maybe items!

Mike

[Vramin]

He didn't have to tell you he was a restaurant manager in the first place. I would like to see him have a bigger signature. As long as he is contributing to the discussion, who cares? And I doubt if he cares what people wear in his restaurant as long as they have shoes and shirts.

I think I'm also siding with ceehjay. My biggest challenge right now is reading and posting in too many forums in order to avoid defining my bigger projects.

[moises]

He didn't have to tell you he was a restaurant manager in the first place.
This is true. Troy could have started the very long thread titled "What's Everyone's Profession" without stating his own profession.

But one wonders why anyone would state their own profession when the thread starter did not state his.

It would appear to me, until I have further information, that this is a case of bad faith.

As far as I can tell, Troy is not trying to sell anything on his website. So I wonder why he did not come right out and state that he is a restaurant manager who runs some websites, at least one of which is about time management. Given the raison d'etre of this forum, and given the subject of his post, not stating his involvement in a time management website strikes me as quite odd.

If someone comes on this forum and wants to contribute, that's fine. If someone wants to know how to find the best label printer, that's fine too. But if someone comes on the board to ask each of us to explain what we do with our time, and then we discover that the person who is asking this of us has not been forthright in telling us how he spends his time, then I believe that I am justified in experiencing feelings of betrayal and distrust. But these feelings of betrayal and distrust are overshadowed by feelings of bewilderment. I really do not understand why Troy, who appears to be eager to edify the world through his postings and website, would act in a way that appears so suspicious.

Troy, why did you not state your involvement in clockmanager.com when you asked all of us what our professions were? Why did you choose to publicize your involvement in clockmanager.com by changing your signature?

[Paul@Pittsburgh]

Ignores the arguments, keeps focused on point and doesn't click on link

President of an overseas subsidiary of a software company, but my time is primarily involved in sales, marketing and technical support to our customers.

My main GTD challenge is..., well I have several.

1. Keeping track of all my committments (some of my waiting fors (e.g. quotes) can be out there for several months, even 1-2 years) and following them through. GTD has helped enormously here.

2. Less GTD related to some degree, but having a lot of discretionary time, I sometimes struggle to be as focused as I feel I could be. I used to use Tony Robbin's RPM system before GTD and I have a sort of hybrid of the two now. But I think I need to adopt more of the ideas in RPM to keep that bit more focused on the bigger projects/objectives than GTD typically helps me achieve. Also, I am looking into getting the now habit to make sure I am not procrastinating on anything.

Paul

[Treetops]

In fairness to the members who want to post on-topic in this thread, I've taken the liberty of cutting & pasting the part about Troys motives to the main board,

http://www.davidco.com/forum/showthread.php?p=38230#post38230

[taxgeek]

My biggest challenge is forcing myself to work from my lists. I have a big desk with lots of stuff on it, and I tend to work from the physical objects that become action reminders, rather than referring to my lists.

I also hate returning phone calls. They're never quick, easy and satisfying, it always takes about an hour and results in more followup for me to do afterwards (which further delays the other work I already had to do.) My voicemail greeting already says "Please send me an email instead at xyz@email.com", but half the people leave messages anyway. Bleh.

I also hate doing weekly reviews. I guess even after reading all the threads on here, I haven't gotten the emotional "aaah" feeling that others are getting from them, so I have no motivation to do them. It works pretty well to keep all my lists current on a real time basis, but I wish I could get in the habit of a weekly review that is useful to me and not too time consuming and (gasp!) fun.

Anybody else?

[flexiblefine]

My biggest challenge is forcing myself to work from my lists. I have a big desk with lots of stuff on it, and I tend to work from the physical objects that become action reminders, rather than referring to my lists.
Have you had any luck in putting things away? I have a similar situation, and I try to keep my lists in front of me instead of anything else.

Is there an easy way for you to keep your active projects out of sight, but still handy?

[jaythebull]

I am an IT Manager by day. Daddy/Husband/Car Mechanic/Gardener/Plumber/ ... ah you get the idea by night.

My biggest problem right now is the sheer amount of stuff I have on my plate. If I spent all day immediately doing all the little 2 minute things - that's all I would do. I also have an issue with getting my projects broken in to nice bite sized pieces to nibble on. Then you add to it the list of home projects and to do - and by George it gets quite un-manageable.

[jkgrossi]

Hmmm... I have to say that my biggest problem is that I'm not really interested in my work!

So, I have everything captured on my lists... but severely lack the motivation to act on any of them!

I don't really think that it's a matter of procrastination, because I don't really procrastinate when it comes to doing the things that I enjoy doing.

Also, I'll ditto taxgeek on the weekly review. Yes, I see the value... and yes, I realize that it's the lynch pin for the entire system. However, I just can't seem to carve out the time to do them faithfully.

Oh, profession - Accountant in Corp. (non-public).

[taxgeek]

Hmmm... I have to say that my biggest problem is that I'm not really interested in my work!


Ditto! Gawd it's hard to keep plowing foward on a career path that's . . . well, . . . not that interesting!

I guess they're going to tell us we have an appointment with 50,000 feet now. Sigh.

[jaythebull]

Hmmm... I have to say that my biggest problem is that I'm not really interested in my work!


I never really thought about it from that angle. I enjoy technology and really thrive on the new stuff. But the mudane stuff I put off quite a bit.

[jkgrossi]

Ditto! Gawd it's hard to keep plowing foward on a career path that's . . . well, . . . not that interesting!

I guess they're going to tell us we have an appointment with 50,000 feet now. Sigh.

Exactly! That is by far and away my biggest problem. My list is filled with tons of things that I'm uninspired to act on. :-(

[Vramin]

Sign me up in the I Hate to make Phone Calls camp. Phone calls are one of the singlemost simple activities one can engage in, but I put them off vehemently.

[Scott_L_Lewis]

I also sometimes get "phone shy." I resist calling someone I need to call. It is usually someone I don't know, and it is usually when I need to ask them for information or (worse) do something that I need to have done.

One technique that I've found helpful is to actually script the conversation from my end. I write out who I am, why I am calling them, and the questions or requests I need to relay to them. That usually gives me the clarity and confidence I need to make the call. When I have a particularly bad case, I also just follow the script during the call. That way I make sure I don't hang up and then realize that I should have covered additional items.

I'm pretty sure this won't be of help to folks like taxgeek, who are chafing at the amount of work a properly conducted call creates. But it might be useful to others.

[Vramin]

I also sometimes get "phone shy." I resist calling someone I need to call. It is usually someone I don't know, and it is usually when I need to ask them for information or (worse) do something that I need to have done.

One technique that I've found helpful is to actually script the conversation from my end. I write out who I am, why I am calling them, and the questions or requests I need to relay to them. That usually gives me the clarity and confidence I need to make the call. When I have a particularly bad case, I also just follow the script during the call. That way I make sure I don't hang up and then realize that I should have covered additional items.

I'm pretty sure this won't be of help to folks like taxgeek, who are chafing at the amount of work a properly conducted call creates. But it might be useful to others.

I have made little "pre-call" checklists in the past, and it does seem to help. Scripting it out is more of that "outcome based" planning - you've essentially already had the conversation, now you're just going through the motions. I'll have to put on my script-writer's hat and give it a try.

[petdr]

I'm a veterinarian and small business owner in California. My biggest challenge is capturing all the "stuff" throughout the day and finding time to process them all at the end of the day. A lot of things collected today need to be processed and done the next day or two. So most of the time, I can't put things off to be dealt with at the weekly review.

For instance, I see maybe 20 appointments in a day. Most of those patient exams become a project (some of them generate more than one projects). We do blood tests that will have results the following day; I'd need to call the client with the results and discuss treatment plans. Or a complicated medical case may require some research and consultation with specialists (that's at least a couple more projects there). All the while, during the day, my assistants would be fielding calls from clients; these messages generate more projects.

I get overwhelmed with all these projects. Pre-GTD, I just muddle through and deal with whatever is in front of me. Of course, that means some clients may not be called back until later or only patients who are critical get attention --- more of the putting out fires approach. Now, I'm better at dealing with patients before they become critical but I have to constantly spend after office hours to process these actions to make sure they get done the next day (delegated to assistants). If I fall behind with the daily processing, I get buried.

And that's only with the medicine side of things, never mind the business side of things (financial planning, remodeling, performance review, etc...).

[AlanS]

I'm a veterinarian and small business owner in California. My biggest challenge is capturing all the "stuff" throughout the day and finding time to process them all at the end of the day. A lot of things collected today need to be processed and done the next day or two. So most of the time, I can't put things off to be dealt with at the weekly review.

For instance, I see maybe 20 appointments in a day. Most of those patient exams become a project (some of them generate more than one projects). We do blood tests that will have results the following day; I'd need to call the client with the results and discuss treatment plans. Or a complicated medical case may require some research and consultation with specialists (that's at least a couple more projects there). All the while, during the day, my assistants would be fielding calls from clients; these messages generate more projects.

I get overwhelmed with all these projects. Pre-GTD, I just muddle through and deal with whatever is in front of me. Of course, that means some clients may not be called back until later or only patients who are critical get attention --- more of the putting out fires approach. Now, I'm better at dealing with patients before they become critical but I have to constantly spend after office hours to process these actions to make sure they get done the next day (delegated to assistants). If I fall behind with the daily processing, I get buried.

And that's only with the medicine side of things, never mind the business side of things (financial planning, remodeling, performance review, etc...).
I am too am a veterinarian and small buisness owner, but I am also one of the specialists that are consulted by primary care vets in my area and via telemedicine. My project lists are way out of control. I second your feelings of being "overwhelmed". If someone could provide some suggestions on how to manage the multitude of mini-projects that each case presents that would be extremely helpful.
Thanks!

[jmsmall]

I am a physician, a pathologist, at a busy cancer hospital. I look at peoples' biopsies and give their other docs the news about what the biopsy shows.

Biggest challenge is probably interruptions; everyone needs my opinion now on so many things. Second is just the amount of work many days; the input keeps coming in, but getting to the lists to actually DO something other than the day's work is often impossible.

Ah, another challenge, home. Of course there's things that have to be done to keep the household going: chores, pay bills, fix clogged drain pipes outside, clean gutters, etc.

Another challenge for me is thinking that once it's processed on to a list, then somehow I've accomplished something and can relax. Lists grow real fast that way!

Jim

[Suelin23]

I am a chemical engineer, employed as a Process Planner for a sewage treatment plant company.

Challenges
- taken on too much at work, home (hubby is injured so I do everything), am in 3 different community groups, have a son to look after, and rarely have time for myself.
- weekly reviews, I've hardly ever done because I can't get inbox to zero, and they take too long and are boring.
- emotional issues. There's work I wanted to get when I started my job 3 years ago, the boss gave it to another who started the same day. I got depressed for 1.5 years watching her do it poorly, then I got the work when she took maternity leave but I'm still upset about it and can't seem to forgive my boss. And yes of course he knew I wanted the work.
- stressed about the volume of work to do at work and home. Had a bad day yesterday, too many talks with the boss, I couldn't stop myself crying in front of him. How mortifying!
- bored by my work. Some of it's great, but there's way too much time on the computer and not enough time in the field. Lot's of boring stuff to do.
- still refining my setup of GTD a year after starting. No wonder DA said it takes 2 years, I keep tweaking and changing mine. It is getting better and better, but still no where near 'mind like water'.
- still challenged by how to think creatively and analytically in a way that is up to the same level as my boss. I hate that he seems smarter than me!
- hiding my emotions. I hate that people can tell I'm stressed and unhappy. Wish I could hide it. There's no one at work that I trust enough to talk about it. When my boss made me talk to him about it yesterday he kept saying 'you shouldn't feel like that, there's no reason for you to feel like that'. The only thing worse than feeling upset is having a man tell you that you shouldn't feel that way.

[RuthMcT]

Hi Suelin,

Your description of your life has a lot of similarities with mine, though I don't have any children. You may not be aware, but you meet the definition of a "well spouse" - if you'd like to meet an online community of other people who understand what it is like doing everything at home because your husband can't while trying to hold down a job and look after the kids, then have a look at http://www.wellspouse.org/ The forum is very supportive, and is the one place I've found I can talk about my stresses and unhappiness because everyone else has been there too!

Or if you'd like to chat e-mail me as another well spouse GTD'er, please send me a pm

best wishes

Ruth

[Suelin23]

Thanks Ruth, it's nice to know I'm not the only one. It's not always bad, I seem to go in bursts of catching up and feeling good and falling behind and feeling stressed. So how I feel can be very variable.

[RuthMcT]

That sounds like me too! At the moment I'm on a downer as I start 2 weeks leave after tomorrow, and I've got badly backlogged client paperwork glaring at me from every corner of the office. We moved house 2 weeks ago and I've only got half the boxes emptied - hopefully I'll spend part of my holiday sorting the house out.

Ruth

[Philb]

My challenge is not doing the weekly review. I don't have time doing it during the day at work and I don't want to kill half a day at the weekend. I know that I have to do it however in order to make the whole thing work. I have recently moved to paper which I hope will keep me more engaged with my system. That was also a challenge when using software to track all my projects and tasks, though it definitely has it's advantages.

[JohnV474]

My challenge is collecting so much input that I am perpetually in the Process & Organize loop.

For a profession, my business partner and I run a small firm that deals with dispute resolution and negotiations. Recently we merged two independent businesses into one, and so have that "startup buzz" again.

Unfortunately, the profession and challenge feed each other. There is so much information that is useful at work and so many ideas that I do not want to lose, that I can spend all day just sorting the ideas. This process can interfere with making progress quickly enough.

I have not yet found a solution.