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Borisoff
05-14-2008, 07:12 AM
I use electronic GTD setup (Outlook+Palm 750v) and there's a lot of freedom in it for me. I just can't get how people can use paper based GTD setup. It seems very difficult to write down every email follow-up or move re-write compleated action with a new one. Can someone give an overview of his paper system (pictures would be great as well) and how he uses it on a daily basis?

Just curious.

Trish
05-14-2008, 11:57 AM
Seems a strange request to me. First of all, why? You like your electronic set up so why mess with it? And David in his book and online talks extensively about how to set up a paper system. And Katherine (Kewms) has explained hers extensively on this forum as have others. Check em out.

jknecht
05-14-2008, 03:31 PM
I use electronic GTD setup (Outlook+Palm 750v) and there's a lot of freedom in it for me. I just can't get how people can use paper based GTD setup. It seems very difficult to write down every email follow-up or move re-write compleated action with a new one. Can someone give an overview of his paper system (pictures would be great as well) and how he uses it on a daily basis?

Just curious.

Wow, Borisoff, what a timely question!

I use an electronic system similar to yours, but I have recently (ie., yesterday) decided to try out a Hipster PDA. My reasons are: 1) no battery to recharge; 2) lighter & smaller (assuming I don't have too many cards); 3) easier capture; and 4) I can put it in my back pocket without worrying about sitting on it. I realize I'll be giving up the following features: 1) easy backup copy; 2) auto-generate recurring tasks/appointments.

I've got just about everything figured out except for the calendar and recurring tasks (the tickler file has never really worked for me -- I would sometimes go weeks without checking it, do I ditched it). I'm toying with keeping an electronic calendar and a text file for recurring tasks and simply transcribing the upcoming week into the hPDA, but I'd love to see how others are handling this. In the meantime, I'm carrying both my hPDA and my digital PDA because it's got my calendar in it :(

haga2000
05-14-2008, 10:58 PM
A lot of discussion has been on this topic. I am a person that switched back and forth sm times and uses a hybrid system at the moment. but se the problem, an email is eighter: junk, a task that must be done at a specific time, = a meeting, or a task that must be done before a specific time = project, or just refrence information, electronic systems are very good to organise these. However when it comes to note taking paper is far better since most people handwrite must faster then they type. Paper also give much better overview of notes and calendar,

niall
05-14-2008, 11:27 PM
I too have switched back and forth between digital and paper. I have ended up with a hybrid based on what works best for me.

Outlook ( as we use corporately) for calander and day/date specific
Paper for all capture and notes (pure capture by 3X5 note cards - notes in a Rhodia pad with tear off sheets

All action lsts are on context specific 3X5 cards becasue I like the actof writing to ensure I get the right action and they are more potable and accessible when I need them than my PDA was. Also in my role I have a lot of agendas and waiting fors so capture and process on paper is more effective for me.

I print out my calander from outlook using the trifold print so I have a days detail any specific day tasks and a view of the week; I also print out the current and two future moneth for easy reference

Note takes get processed as relevant into either the action cards or onto a project specific mind map if it is reference info ; I keep any paper copies in a project reference file for about a month.

But that's what workd for me and it has taken a while to get thre and I'm sure it will change again...
:)

Niall

fant
05-15-2008, 03:50 AM
Hi,
the paper vs. digital discussion seems to be one of the issues which absorb our energy and prevent us from getting things done ;-)

I'm not a frequent poster in this forum, but I can't back off to give you my 2ct:
Im using since several years a palm m500 (b&w, 8 Mhz, 8 MB, no mp3, no internet, no bluetooth, no ... , no..., no... = only a digital PIM).
1) Batterie lasts about 2 up to 3 weeks. IMO, if you have to get to a power socket every 2-3 days thats no real mobility.
2) IMO light and small (especially if you mind how many informations are stored)
3) Easy capture with simple freeware tools like Diddlebug, TodoDA etc.
4) Sit on it if you like if it's in a RhinoSkin-AluCase (mine is about 6 years old and look as new. It's everyday in my back pocket...
5) Automated daily, hourly (like you choose) backup
6) Easy to sync (also Outlook)
7) looks nice

So, why not 'back to the roots'. I would like to see palm making a revival of the good old m500, maybe with double battery-capacity = 4 weeks mobile without geeting hectic in finding a power-socket.

Bye, Jens


Wow, Borisoff, what a timely question!

I use an electronic system similar to yours, but I have recently (ie., yesterday) decided to try out a Hipster PDA. My reasons are: 1) no battery to recharge; 2) lighter & smaller (assuming I don't have too many cards); 3) easier capture; and 4) I can put it in my back pocket without worrying about sitting on it. I realize I'll be giving up the following features: 1) easy backup copy; 2) auto-generate recurring tasks/appointments.

I've got just about everything figured out except for the calendar and recurring tasks (the tickler file has never really worked for me -- I would sometimes go weeks without checking it, do I ditched it). I'm toying with keeping an electronic calendar and a text file for recurring tasks and simply transcribing the upcoming week into the hPDA, but I'd love to see how others are handling this. In the meantime, I'm carrying both my hPDA and my digital PDA because it's got my calendar in it :(

JohnV474
05-17-2008, 11:03 PM
Hi Borisoff. I definitely prefer a paper system for several reasons, not the least of which is knowing myself well enough that the first time I need information from my PDA and the battery is dead, I'll throw it away. I don't have time for things that don't work how I need them to.

My GTD system has the following parts:

Inbox: just a regular plastic $3 inbox on my desk, with 2 levels. The top level is my inbox. The second level is 3x5 cards and blank printer paper so I have 'input paper' at hand whenever I'm at the desk. My inbox (also email inbox) gets emptied every day, first thing.

File cabinet: General reference file, including all work files (I work from home), and my Tickler file, located in the front of the first drawer. The Tickler file is the only thing in an Esselte hanger, just to separate it from my reference files. Each day I throw the next day's tickler file into the inbox. Bills go into the Tickler file.

3x5 Note Jotter: I love this. This is a $9.99 leather 3x5 card holder that holds about 20 cards. I bought it at Staples. While I don't care about looking 'executive', I do need my stuff to not look out of place in a board room, court, or visiting clients, and this does a great job. I carry it in my pocket, flatter than my wallet, and is used for any idea, anywhere. It is purely an input device. The used card (typically only 1 idea per card) gets folded and stuck in my pocket. When I get to the house, I empty my pockets and toss any used cards into the Inbox. I carry this at all times, but first got it because I didn't want to scribble everything directly into my planner--too messy.

My planner is a 5x8 notebook (happens to be Moleskine, but they aren't magical, despite their following). It contains the following sections:

Calendar: I inserted 3-4 months of calendar inserts (Day-Runner or Franklin-Covey style). They have tabs sticking out for immediate access.

Next Actions: this is a thick tab sticking out 1/4 inch or so, with a Brother P-touch label on it. There are about 15 blank pages after the Next Actions.

Because I do not have separate context pages, I use the first column for @Store, @Phone, etc. The center column will say the Next Action, with the keyword in caps, and the third column gives any due date. I prefer the simplicity of looking for all Next Actions in the same place. I don't mind scanning through things I can't work on right away (in fact, it functions as a daily review of every Next Action on my plate).

As the items are completed, I cross off (with a blue highlighter) the context for that task. I can still see the item for future reference but can quickly skim past them, also.

Projects: Another thick tab, of a different color, with my Project list. This is then followed by 15 pages for more Projects. This is purely for the list, not for mind maps or anything about them.

Someday/Maybe: This is another tab like the others, with 15 pages.

Lists: This is my catchall section of the notebook. If I have to develop a Project Plan, this is where I do it. If I decide to design my dream house, this is where I do it. Exercise plans, shopping lists, notes on books I'm reading, all go into this section of the notebook. Checklists (Weekly Review checklist, etc.) also goes in here.

Index: The last page of the notebook is an Index. In 3 columns I have all the page numbers of the notebook and the page title for each. I can find any piece of information in my planner in about 5 seconds by using the Index.

I used to have an address book list in the notebook but now have a separate address book, which I rarely use, since most contact information I need is in my phone or email account address book.

So, basically, in my planner I am carrying everything that matters to me. I can do a tremendous amount of work and planning with the notebook, a pen, and nothing else. I don't need a plug or batteries, nor do I have to wait for anything to turn on--they take too long, or at least mine did.

If something is long or drawn out, I'll type it on the computer because I type far faster than I write. Then I'll file the printout.

Emails to write: I will just jot "Email Leroy" and that's it. Doesn't take long. I could have it written on my Next Action list and done before my PDA was even turned on. I'm sure newer PDA's are better. Note that I don't get more than 20-50 emails per day, so I don't know if that makes a difference. If I were in the 800 per day range, I'd probably have a tab specifically for emails, with only the name and the due date (or a list of high-priority emails and then the rest).

I absolutely love my system. it's portable, simple, and neat. Onlookers roll their eyes less when I open what appears to just be a calendar compared to when I whipped out a PDA.

I very much love the option of just flipping through my notebook and finding what I want. A single $13 notebook and $10 calendar inserts are enough to last me at least 6 months. This is a bargain compared to digital, but the cost is secondary to efficiency for me and the parameters of my particular career and life.

My favorite aspect is that I can carry the tiny Note Jotter anywhere that carrying a planner would be awkward (say, into the movies). Between the Jotter and my Moleskine, I can keep myself busy anywhere. I'd worry about dead batteries with any other system (and my low tolerance for such scenarios).

I should also point out that I work for myself, out of my home, and am in the process of starting this business, so I don't know how my system would apply to corporate environments, especially those that impose using Outlook, etc.

I don't know how to post pictures, but I could find out in order to post pictures of my notebook and system if the 1000 words aren't clear enough. When I've got it fully refined I want to post a write-up on it.

Hope this helps,
JohnV474

sdhill
05-18-2008, 11:55 AM
For many of the reasons outlined already I am seriously considering switching to more of a hybrid system from my all digital one. I'd like to manage my NA lists on paper but the thing that frankly is holding me back is finding the right notebook. I know I will be drawn to something that looks good and is designed with GTD in mind more than a notebook or even a Moleskin that I hack myself. I don't want something too thick, I want to have pre-tabbed sections and I'd prefer to have perforated pages. It should look professional.

Question is - does such a beast exist at the moment? Am I being unreasonable?

I know DAC is bringing out a range of paper based products but that is not for a while and it's unclear what they will be like.

Any thoughts or ideas appreciated!

sholden
05-18-2008, 12:14 PM
I use a hybrid system ... my collection system uses 3x5 cards and a Moleskine. When something comes up, I first capture it on a 3x5 card. During the day I am completing many actions that end up on a the 3x5 card(s). If they are not done, then at the end of the day I place them in my Moleskine for better long term reference. I then process my Moleskine once a week in my Weekly Review into Outlook for my master next action list and MindManager for my Projects(s), Someday/Maybe(s), and Dashboard.

Since I have some much coming at me digitally via email, I can't image moving stuff out of the computer to a completely paper system. I guess it could be done but for me that would be very inefficient.

Steve

Michael Fahey
05-18-2008, 05:16 PM
I thought the system presented by JohnV474 -is most interesting. I wondered how you use inserts with your moleskine. The notebooks i have seen don't have the inserts for calendar and such. If you could let me know where you get inserts that size, i would appreciate it.
If you are ever able to get a picture of the system up to see, i would be interested.

The only difference for me is that i am using GTD wallet. Works very well but could have saved some money by purchasing notecard wallet.

Thanks,

MTF

Nola123
05-18-2008, 06:22 PM
I'm very interested too. JohnV474, how do you get the inserts to stay in?

TesTeq
05-18-2008, 10:54 PM
I know DAC is bringing out a range of paper based products but that is not for a while and it's unclear what they will be like.

I think these products will be very high end - like other DAC products so you may want a cheaper solution - for example Moleskine notebooks.

JohnV474
05-19-2008, 09:24 AM
Michael Fahey and Michele,

The calendar inserts I use are Day-Timer Monthly Tabbed Calendar inserts (2 pages per month), purchased from the local Office Depot. The pages have a border that is slightly larger than the 5x8 Moleskine that I use, so I trimmed the edges.

I have inserted them with staples, so I can remove them and put them into a new planner if I have to. It is better to put the calendar pages toward the beginning so you don't feel the bulge of the staples under your pen (note to self: just found solution to that problem...). If they are at the end, you will feel lumps as you are working on the pages leading up to them. The pages are already sized so the tabs stick out just right. Just about any 5x8 pages would work.

Oh, and to address someone else's concern, I don't believe that there is an off-the-shelf GTD planner that will work better than one you make yourself, any more than I think there is an off-the-rack suit that will fit better than a custom-tailored one. Luckily, the parts to make a customized planner are so cheap that I spend less and get more--even if I go through different versions (as I have), it's still cheap. I ended up with one tailored it to my needs and preferences--simple, effective, and deadly, like a good poison. I threw my off-the-shelf 'executive' (all flash, no fire) planners and PDA away.

JohnV474

Michael Fahey
05-19-2008, 04:28 PM
Thanks John. For a notebook, just a simple 5X8 moleskine?

I have been through a couple pda's myself but always come back to some sort of paper method, although i am interested in the new software that will be coming for the ipod touch/phone.

MTF

JohnV474
05-19-2008, 09:21 PM
Moleskine is a funny company. They have a cult-like following. Combine that with the GTD following and we can be a little hardcore.

However, the paper has a nice feel and, more importantly to me, it is available in graph paper. I think it's archival-quality paper, and I use a fade-resistant pen so I can keep it long term.

Moleskine has several great features: it's a great, slim size, the book lays pretty flat, the paper feels good, it has an elastic to keep it closed, and a placemark. They go for around $13-16 bucks at your local big box bookstore.

The notebook itself is, in some ways, the most difficult part to get, because it has to feel right. I didn't like anything smaller than 4x6 and nothing more than about 1/2 inch thick or as big as 8x10.

JohnV474

Borisoff
05-20-2008, 11:58 PM
Thanks for sharing you ideas and paper-systems. I just still can't get how do you manage you Next Action lists in paper (in digital format I sometimes re-write them 4-5 times a day but my lists remain clean). Can someone share a photo of the paper next action list at the end of a working day?

aroma
05-21-2008, 04:20 AM
JohnV474 - How do you handle recurring tasks?

JohnV474
05-21-2008, 07:32 AM
Good question. In fact, I've had to figure out how I handle recurring tasks because it has just seemed to work, without being conscious.

Recurring tasks with set times (e.g.: piano lessons, MWF @ 9 am) get written into the calendar. I usually fill out the current month, then put a Next Action with a due date to fill out the following month.

I put normal due dates into my calendar (License plate renewal DUE), etc.

However, in the case of non-Calendar items, I just put them right into my Next Actions with an associated Project. Example: (in Projects list) GTD BOOK read daily. In Next Actions: @ANY: Read GTD BOOK. When I finish that Next Action, I immediately write the Next Action if there is one. This is a VERY GOOD habit to get into and keeps my Project progress leak-free.

All of my monthly bills, which are my most common recurring items besides my daily routine, go straight from my Inbox through processing and right into the Tickler file for the date I plan on paying it. Each day I take out that day's Tickler file folder and pay those bills.

I hope I've answered your question. If not, pose up a few recurring items that you are unsure of and we'll see if we can figure out a solution. It's kind of fun to put my system to the test, considering it just looks like a plain ol' notebook.

JohnV474

jesig
05-21-2008, 03:16 PM
Borisoff, it sounds like you're concerned about the asthetics of a paper system. Are you hoping to switch? It sounds like your system is working for you, so I'm not convinced that photos of paper-based systems will be of use to you, since you don't seem to actually have a problem with your current system. (although, incidentally, what is causing you to re-write your electronic NA lists 4-5 times a day?)

I got turned on to the Planner Pad (www.plannerpad.com) by someone here, and found it a great tool for me. I don't quite use it the way they describe on their site--I use the middle section for "day-specific" actions rather than things I just hope to get done that day. Others have found the PlannerPad didn't let them write as long of NAs as they like, or they disliked only having 7 options for contexts, but I shorthand my NAs, make good use of an "Action support" folder in my workbag, and find that 7 contexts plus a "Calls" list is about perfect for me. I like a nice, neat list, so I draw little checkboxes before each NA and put an "X" through them when I'm done, which keeps my lists looking pretty tidy and uniform. I bend over the corners of the weeks where not all my NAs got done (otherwise I cut the corner off--this is a modification of a suggestion from the Planner Pad company) and every week at my weekly review I decide if there are things that need to be rewritten from an earlier week (usually they're fine where they are.)

As for e-mail, I don't think there are many "paper-system" users out there who aren't using their e-mail programs to track e-mail actions at least to some degree. David himself suggests that you use your e-mail program as an "extension of your @Computer list." (p. 154-yeah, I'm an academic, I can't not cite a quotation) Getting an email from A and then writing down "Reply to A" would be counterproductive, IMO. I just mark those in my e-mail program with a red "action required" tag. However, if I have an NA that requires me to initiate something new via e-mail, I usually write in my @Computer context: "Email so-and-so re: topic"

Borisoff
05-23-2008, 08:57 PM
although, incidentally, what is causing you to re-write your electronic NA lists 4-5 times a day?

I don't re-write the whole list of course. For example I have 15 emails to be written to my collegues. I always put myself in BCC field so when I get this email I know that I should do someting further with this email. In this case to follow-up in a few days. So I put a start date on this task and it appears when I need to see it again in my Action list.

I just can't imagine I have to re-write all those 15 emails in a paper system 15 times from one page to another :)

kewms
05-23-2008, 10:04 PM
I don't re-write the whole list of course. For example I have 15 emails to be written to my collegues. I always put myself in BCC field so when I get this email I know that I should do someting further with this email. In this case to follow-up in a few days. So I put a start date on this task and it appears when I need to see it again in my Action list.

I just can't imagine I have to re-write all those 15 emails in a paper system 15 times from one page to another :)

In this situation, I write on my (paper) calendar "Heard from J. Smith? Emailed him 5/23." If I need to actually look at the email, I know where to find it.

Just because your system is paper, that doesn't mean you can't use electronic reference materials.

Katherine

pcm128
05-24-2008, 05:48 AM
I don't know how to post pictures, but I could find out in order to post pictures of my notebook and system if the 1000 words aren't clear enough. When I've got it fully refined I want to post a write-up on it.

Hope this helps,
JohnV474

John-

Can you post photos to Flickr/Picasa for us to see? Your system sounds very interesting, and I'd like to try it out.

Borisoff
05-24-2008, 09:53 AM
In this situation, I write on my (paper) calendar "Heard from J. Smith? Emailed him 5/23." If I need to actually look at the email, I know where to find it.

Just because your system is paper, that doesn't mean you can't use electronic reference materials.

Katherine

I don't use tickler so my calender would be overwhelmed with "Heard from J. Smith? Emailed him 5/23." items :) So I'm convinced I'd stay with my super all electro setup.

Trish
05-24-2008, 07:03 PM
Show us the system....asap. Love to see ppl's systems. Fascinates me.:cool:

validatelife
05-24-2008, 07:24 PM
I use electronic GTD setup (Outlook+Palm 750v) and there's a lot of freedom in it for me. I just can't get how people can use paper based GTD setup. It seems very difficult to write down every email follow-up or move re-write compleated action with a new one. Can someone give an overview of his paper system (pictures would be great as well) and how he uses it on a daily basis?

Just curious.


Read about my hellish saga of cylcling through 3-4 gtd systems here (with various software approaches, or capturing-collection bin approaches from audio to whiteboard to legal pad to google notebooks, to slips of paper, etc.)

In a nutshell, although this may sound tediously arduous, I'd recommend swinging from extremes. Try ALL paper and then try ALL electronic with whatever components of your system is plausible. Then find a happy balance.

The last thing you want is what I had. You spend all your time checking the dozens of hard-copy and soft-copy collection buckets, instead of just getting things done.

One thing i may do just to regain balance is just have a master list of whatever my mind comes to (emails, projects, web updates) and then append an E, P, or W to the specific items. I need to work on priorities to, to avoid, for example, writing extremely lengthy posts on great forums like this, which, while isnightful to myself and possibly others, is relatiely less important than other things I need to do until those other things are done.

Brian Tracy talks about urgent-important A,B,C,D priorities, which is great.

sdann
05-25-2008, 05:11 AM
Although I do have my NAs and project system electronically, I still will print out an NA list which I use to highlight done items (I learned that here) and to write down the new NAs. I do this daily. I love the ease of the electronic file, but I also need the physical reality of the paper printout, that I can then manually alter. It is the same with note-taking; although I could easily type in notes from webinars or teleseminars or pdf articles or what-have-yous, I still like to take notes manually. They are the same notes, but to me the latter are more real.

JohnV474
05-26-2008, 06:09 AM
I will get pictures of my system and post it ASAP... it has officially been put into my Next Actions list. ;-)

JohnV474

jknecht
05-26-2008, 11:34 AM
Forget paper... I'm switching to this: http://www.worldwidefred.com/todotattoo.htm

:D

Day Owl
05-26-2008, 03:15 PM
Forget paper... I'm switching to this: http://www.worldwidefred.com/todotattoo.htm

:D

And it's eco-friendly, too!

sdann
05-27-2008, 05:47 AM
and the rest of the to do list can go on your leg.

vatark
05-27-2008, 06:08 AM
and the rest of the to do list can go on your leg.
And you can't wash until you've completed them :-D

Dawn
07-18-2008, 11:05 AM
I realize that this is an old thread, but I had some time on my hands today and have been catching up on my reading.


I use electronic GTD setup (Outlook+Palm 750v) and there's a lot of freedom in it for me. I just can't get how people can use paper based GTD setup. It seems very difficult to write down every email follow-up or move re-write compleated action with a new one.


I just can't imagine I have to re-write all those 15 emails in a paper system 15 times from one page to another.

I don't rewrite anything. If I send an e-mail message to someone that requires a response or action on their part, I note it on my Waiting For list: date/time, contact name, what I'm waiting for (a reply, a document, etc.). If I need the reply by a certain date, I put a reminder on my calendar. It takes less than a minute to do this - probably less than 30 seconds. Sure, if I am doing a batch of several e-mail messages at once, it will take a few extra minutes to note them all on my WF list; however, there are things that take a few extra seconds to do in an electronic system. It's six of one, half a dozen of another.

For NA lists, I write the item one time (just as you would type it one time into the computer), and it stays on the page until it is done, just as projects stay on the Projects list until they are completed. I don't make new lists every day; that would defeat the purpose. Maybe I don't understand the question, which is entirely possible, since most of the time I don't understand the "issues" that are highlighted on these forums. I understand that people have preferences about whether to use electronic, paper, or hybrid systems; I just don't understand why there is a general feeling that a paper system is more complicated or requires more work. I think that any system is as simple or as complicated as the user makes it. I confess that I find most of the systems described in the various threads here to be fairly complicated, but hey - as long as they work for the individuals who use them. . .

kewms
07-18-2008, 03:58 PM
I understand that people have preferences about whether to use electronic, paper, or hybrid systems; I just don't understand why there is a general feeling that a paper system is more complicated or requires more work. I think that any system is as simple or as complicated as the user makes it. I confess that I find most of the systems described in the various threads here to be fairly complicated, but hey - as long as they work for the individuals who use them. . .

I think the people who use electronic systems think paper systems are complicated, while the people who use paper systems think electronic systems are complicated.

In particular, people who depend on electronic reminders, searchability, and linkability believe that there's no simple way to implement these things in a paper system. People who use paper systems either don't find these things important or have some index scheme which seems simple to them, but complex to others.

Katherine

Brent
07-19-2008, 07:01 AM
I think the people who use electronic systems think paper systems are complicated, while the people who use paper systems think electronic systems are complicated.

Respectfully disagree. I think people use paper because it works for them, or an electronic device because it works for them. Many of us have tried both, and prefer one or the other. Also, some of us use hybrid systems.

kewms
07-19-2008, 07:37 AM
Respectfully disagree. I think people use paper because it works for them, or an electronic device because it works for them. Many of us have tried both, and prefer one or the other. Also, some of us use hybrid systems.

Well yes, like all generalizations that one has some limits. But it's been my observation that complexity is one of the main reasons people cite for moving from one to the other. Paper works for me *because* it's less complex (to me).

Katherine

sdhill
07-20-2008, 12:43 AM
Irrespective of whether people are using a paper-based system, an electronic one or a combination of the two there does seem to be a disproportionate number of people who over-complicate their systems in the name of getting things done. If there's one thing about GTD that I understood immediately when I read the book it was that keeping things as simple as possible was key......

sdann
07-20-2008, 05:56 AM
I have an electronic task program and I use a paper-based calendar. I will often print out my task lists. In the past I had never considered myself as someone who needs paper tools. I have found, though, I thrive in an environment that combines the physical tools with the virtual organization.

I believe the complexity or simplicity of a system varies with each person. Some function best in one format or another, and others in a personalized concoction.

Dawn
07-22-2008, 01:05 PM
Irrespective of whether people are using a paper-based system, an electronic one or a combination of the two there does seem to be a disproportionate number of people who over-complicate their systems in the name of getting things done.

My point, exactly. Even though my paper-based system doubles as a vehicle for creative expression, I bet I still spend less time fiddling with mine than many here seem to - based on the descriptions of the various systems. I wonder if some of the people who abandon GTD have merely, for one reason or another, made their particular system too complicated?

moosie
07-23-2008, 07:06 PM
I've noticed that I'm likely to fall off the GTD wagon when my job doesn't easily fit my version of GTD. In my current job, I am handed one task at a time and have nothing else to work on. (BORING!!!!). I started missing GTD, though, and it was the butt kick I needed to get our home life under control.

Currently, I use OmniFocus on both my iPhone and MBP. I've discovered that since OF was released for the iPhone, I've become MUCH more dependent on the phone and less so on the paper. (I do still carry a moleskine, just in case, but I find the phone so much easier to use. !!!! Yes, surprised me too!)

I never thought I'd be so dependent on an electronic GTD system, but I think the ability to run it (perfectly) off of my phone and sync to the MBP when I get home at the end of the night makes it much easier than having to deal with my old paper method.

earthfriend
07-24-2008, 01:14 AM
This is how my system goes:

1 box for paper recycling - all paper stuff to toss
1 box for files, sorted into manila folders (a primitive filing cabinet)
1 box for miscellaneous stuff to sort later. Whenever I finish with something but may need it later I chuck it in this box. When it fills up I have a sorting session in which I sort all this stuff into the correct manila folders in the "filing" box

4 desk trays - IN tray, current project/action support material, support material for regular/ongoing projects and actions, support material for someday/maybes

1 big A4 sized diary/calender combined. All events and due dates and day-specific actions are marked in pen. All "maybes" (things that aren't essential) I sketch in pencil. Each evening I go through my action lists and use them to pencil in a rough sketch for a time-specific to-do list for the next day.

I also have a shelf with some other document trays:
-Clean paper and stationary resources
-Current reference material

And next to my bed:
-Reading/review material
-Borrowed items

I've got one binder folder on my desk with lots of spare clean sheets of paper in the front. Inside is a 5-divider system which runs as follows:

1 - "One time" actions and projects:
Agendas sheet (listed as name - issue)
Decisions to make (this one's essential for me as I'm a really slow decision-maker)
Actions lists by context (home, computer, phone, out, anywhere etc)
Projects list
Someday/maybe projects

2 - "Recurring" actions and projects:
Daily action list
Daily "credit" list (another personalised one - things that are good to do as a bonus eg. be assertive, write a diary entry)
Weekly action list

3
"One-time" ideas lists:
Someday/maybes
Books to obtain/read (obtained = "-" on the left; read = "+". Same for similar lists)
Food to buy/use up
Miscellaneous ideas
Music to obtain/listen to
Research topics
Things to attend/enrol in
Websites to visit
Writing ideas

4 "Regular" ideas lists:
Feldenkrais exercises
Meditation techniques
Piano practice methods
Recipes (2 lists - quick and slow)
Quotes
Restaurants
Things to do in leisure time

5 Reference lists:
Address&phone sheet
Tram timetable sheet
Misc personal details

I carry a small notebook and pencil in my pocket all day to take notes; at the end of the day I tear off the top page and put it into the IN box, which I then go through.

Cheers!

MarinaMartin
07-29-2008, 06:29 AM
In this situation, I write on my (paper) calendar "Heard from J. Smith? Emailed him 5/23." If I need to actually look at the email, I know where to find it.

Katherine

Why not create a Google Calendar event that emails you a reminder, instead of writing it out on a paper calendar? If something isn't time-specific, I try to leave it off my calendar.

Alternately, you could label the email you sent "@WAITINGON" and check that label once per week during your weekly review.

kewms
07-30-2008, 03:57 PM
Why not create a Google Calendar event that emails you a reminder, instead of writing it out on a paper calendar? If something isn't time-specific, I try to leave it off my calendar.

Alternately, you could label the email you sent "@WAITINGON" and check that label once per week during your weekly review.

My calendar is a two-page per week format. One page serves as an addendum to my tickler file, the other is the true time specific calendar. Reminders such as the example I gave go on the tickler page.

I use a primarily paper system and detest email nagging of all kinds. Also, writing the note on my calendar is faster than any software I've tried. I use electronic calendar reminders strictly for time specific events, and rarely even then.

I've also never found Waiting For lists useful. YMMV, but I find tickling a specific reminder action to be much more concrete.

Katherine

Brent
07-31-2008, 06:45 AM
I've also never found Waiting For lists useful. YMMV, but I find tickling a specific reminder action to be much more concrete.


Interesting. For me, the Waiting For list is already "tickled" every week during the Weekly Review.

the13clocks
08-06-2008, 06:58 PM
I am an avid lurker here, and finally decided to post.

On my blog, I have written a couple of entries about how I use GTD with my paper planner (and how my system has evolved this summer), and have included pictures. Link (http://the14thclock.blogspot.com/)

I'd love it if you would take a look, and leave comments! I hope someone finds it helpful or interesting! I have gotten a lot of ideas from this forum.