Can't start using project list

[Solyanov2011]

I like GTD system and it works fine for me. I can't start using project list and that is a project in itself Last week I prepared a list of projects I had. During the week new tasks kept coming. I captured them, processed and then moved into the system.

Putting in next action takes some time (I use Pocket Informant in iPhone). Then I need to add a new project and check if I had it on the list before. It means I have to look through the list of projects first and make a new entry if there were no such a project before. I just feel like I do a double entry and loose the time because I could process more new inputs I got

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[artsinaction]

Putting in next action takes some time (I use Pocket Informant in iPhone).

You may find that another tool or even paper works better for you. Just don't feel like you're stuck with a particular list manager if it's slowing down your process.

I just feel like I do a double entry and loose the time because I could process more new inputs I got

Can you group projects by categories or Areas of Focus? For example, all of the projects related to where you live might go on a "Home" list, or work projects might divide into their own categories, depending on the sort of work you do. This way, you only have to look at that particular list of projects, not at every project.

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Absolutely! Just keep the questions coming! I've gotten a ton of fabulous suggestions from this amazing group.

Dena

[Solyanov2011]

Do you mean changing to paper the whole system?

Split projects by AoF would mean double entry of AoF

Any advantages of a project-list VS no-project-list?

[Barb]

Do you mean changing to paper the whole system?

Split projects by AoF would mean double entry of AoF

Any advantages of a project-list VS no-project-list?

In my opinion, having a Projects list is a fundamental premise of GTD. Nobody will put you in prison for not having one, but if you want to implement GTD, you'd need one. Otherwise, you're implementing...well, something else.

Would love to get Kelly to weigh in on this.

[kelstarrising]

I asked David to respond to this question on the purpose of the Projects list. Really rich discussion. One of those awesome DA responses about the power of the Projects list and how it ties to the Weekly Review in particular. You can hear it in the February Up Close podcast on GTD Connect. Starts at 6:52.

(If you're not GTD Connect member, the free guest pass will give you access to listen to this podcast online.)

[kelstarrising]

I like GTD system and it works fine for me. I can't start using project list and that is a project in itself Last week I prepared a list of projects I had. During the week new tasks kept coming. I captured them, processed and then moved into the system.

Putting in next action takes some time (I use Pocket Informant in iPhone). Then I need to add a new project and check if I had it on the list before. It means I have to look through the list of projects first and make a new entry if there were no such a project before. I just feel like I do a double entry and loose the time because I could process more new inputs I got

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Get a better tool that doesn't repel you from tracking your commitments.

Projects are not something "GTD" tells you you have, they are commitments you've made to achieve outcomes. The Next Actions tell you how to get there. There's no requirement to track Projects, but what else will tell you that you made a commitment to a larger outcome when the Next Actions are marked as done?

[S-Tolland]

I don't always add the project to my projects list immediately. I sometimes find that this is best done at the weekly review when I review my action lists. It depends, as some actions start out as one-off next actions (so seem not to need a project at all) but then turn into projects!
I use a short-hand version of my Areas of Focus as a starting point for my projects (explained in other projects thread), so it doesn't feel like double entry. There are also some areas that don't have a project or next action at present.
What is most important is that the system is comfortable and easy for you to use, otherwise you will not want to maintain it...

[Solyanov2011]

Projects are not something "GTD" tells you you have, they are commitments you've made to achieve outcomes. The Next Actions tell you how to get there. There's no requirement to track Projects, but what else will tell you that you made a commitment to a larger outcome when the Next Actions are marked as done?

When I cross off a next action I put a new one in. It reminds me of the commitment.

[cwoodgold]

When I cross off a next action I put a new one in. It reminds me of the commitment.

I do that too. All you need is the context lists: when finishing one
action you think up what the next action will be in that project
and write it on an appropriate context list. Others on this forum
have also mentioned doing that, and see also
the Pigpog method: http://pigpog.com/2006/07/11/gtd-the-pigpog-method/
I am starting to use project lists too, though.

Each person needs to find the methods that work well for them.

[mcogilvie]

I do that too. All you need is the context lists: when finishing one
action you think up what the next action will be in that project
and write it on an appropriate context list. Others on this forum
have also mentioned doing that, and see also
the Pigpog method: http://pigpog.com/2006/07/11/gtd-the-pigpog-method/
I am starting to use project lists too, though.

Each person needs to find the methods that work well for them.

One way is to just keep one next action for each project of the form

recruit army > conquer albania

and to keep future steps in the note. Forked projects can be annotated as

hang army deserters >> conquer albania

or similar. Or if your software supports it, you can duplicate tasks as you go.